By September 18, 2007

Kel-tec PF-9 handgun review

Firearms are a passion of mine. If you’re a regular Gibberish reader, you know this. What you may not know is that I’ve held a concealed carry permit in the Commonwealth of Virginia ever since I turned 21. Most kids buy a twelve pack or go barhopping; I bought my Glock 27 and shot five hundred rounds of ammunition instead. I took a carrying hiatus while I lived in Oregon and Maryland, but aside from that time period if you saw me in public, chances were I was armed.

I’ve learned a lot about comfortable concealed carry over the last decade-plus. There are three goals anyone with a CCH license tries to achieve: safety/protection, comfort, and concealment. The desire to safely carry a weapon for protection is obvious. If you wear a handgun (or handguns, redundancy is your friend), then comfort is a major concern. I sit for most of the day, whether it be at the office or riding in my car. The fall and winter give you some allowances on clothing and holster options, but during the summer even small-framed handguns feel like wet anvils as you sweat just standing still.

Lastly, a key part of CCH is concealment. Freaking out that table of soccer mommies at your favorite restaurant doesn’t do anyone any good. You learn very quickly to reach for things at the store with your off-hand so that your shirt doesn’t ride up and show your piece. Take your gun out before you sit down on the toilet, or risk a nice “clank” if your handgun falls onto the bathroom floor. Sure, you might be able to pack a full-framed 1911 .45 ACP if you wear a suit all day, but my standard attire has been a tshirt and shorts/jeans. Even that is easy street compared to the poor guys who have to wear business casual. Too strict to keep a shirt over a belted handgun, too lax to wear a jacket all day. All of these issues combined lead consistent-carriers like myself to smaller and smaller handguns.

So, enter the pocket guns. I have mentioned my North American Arms Guardian .32 ACP before, which has ridden in a pocket holster for a number of years. I recently wrote about some of my concerns with the handgun not discharging properly. Whether it was poor technique on behalf of other people shooting the Guardian, cheap range ammunition, or both, I wasn’t really interested in leaving a failure to chance. I also disliked the fact that my Guardian’s magazine release would disengage whenever I squatted down. I’ve been compulsively checking to see if the magazine was seated properly. I wonder how many people saw me squeeze something in my pocket and wondered what the fuck I was doing. Not very conceal-y. That might also explain why parents rush their children away from me all the time. :shrug:

I was also concerned about the caliber. .32 ACP isn’t the smallest round out there, but it’s pretty damn close. If I ever had to use the Guardian, I knew it would be a short-range, multiple-shot nightmare. I intended to use it at the same range and with the same techniques as using a knife, which basically boiled down to grabbing my assailant with one hand while pulling the trigger with the other. Given the small size of the .32 ACP bullet plus the Guardian’s tendency to misfeed (again, bad range ammo? Who knows), I started looking elsewhere.

The Kel-tec PF-9 is supposedly the thinnest 9mm automatic made. True to the hype, it’s pretty damn thin, less than one inch. It holds seven rounds in the magazine plus one in the chamber. Thanks to the polymer receiver and grip, the pistol is very lightweight. I was surprised to discover that it weighs 18.2 ounces fully loaded. The Guardian weighs 15.8 ounces, and my “big” Glock 27 weighs 27.4 ounces. While the PF-9 is heavier than the Guardian, the increased size makes it feel more balanced. It feels less heavy than the Guardian.
Personal protection pyramid: Glock 27, Kel-tec PF-9, and North American Arms Guardian from bottom to top.
The Kel-tec (left) is thinner than the Glock 27. It may not look like it, but the difference makes a huge impact on comfortable concealed carry. There’s no way I could pocket-carry the G27.
The Kel-tec (right) is close in thickness to the Guardian.

The Kel-tec is built for one thing only: deep concealment carry. It doesn’t have fancy gel grips, it doesn’t have a sweet take-down lever, it doesn’t have a decocker, or an external safety. There is no drop-in laser dot contraption for the Kel-tec. The PF-9 has cheap-o fixed sights with a little dab of high-visibility paint on for good measure. The slide lock lever doesn’t release like a typical auto, so you have to “rack” the slide to chamber a round. The mag release button is plastic but functional. The magazine is metal, but isn’t going to win any awards for design or ergonomics.

The PF-9 shoots like it looks. It’s all business. Lacking one of those “new-fangled” external safeties, the PF-9 has a really, really long trigger pull. I am sure it’s bad self-defense shooting form, but at the range I pre-loaded tension on the trigger before firing the gun. Tutorial: pull the trigger back about two-thirds, feel the trigger start to catch, and then slowly pull the trigger the rest of the way.

Recoil and report are both extreme. The Kel-tec is louder than my G27, which isn’t known for being a mouse. After my first round of shooting, I remarked that the PF-9 may be the only handgun that’s more uncomfortable to shoot than the Guardian. Trigger slap (rebound) is painful. My trigger finger hurt for two days after shooting the Kel-tec for the first time. I’ve named my PF-9 Ike in honor of such a vicious trigger slap. The last time I took it to the range, I got a blister on my palm from the PF-9’s jagged grip pattern. I am able to successfully double-tap my target at seven yards, but shooting my G27 is a dream in comparison.

I was originally pretty down on how rough the PF-9 shot until I remembered I didn’t buy it to replace my Glock, I bought it to replace my Guardian. The PF-9 is a lot more accurate, feels more comfortable in my front pocket, and packs a bigger punch than the Elf Gun. It’s okay if the sights are meh, that the trigger pull is long, and that shooting two hundred rounds in one session makes my hand hurt the next day. This isn’t a target pistol, it’s a people-pistol, and if I fire all eight shots in “real life,” it will have been a very very bad day.

I am very impressed with the form factor of the PF-9, and unlike the Guardian have yet to have a misfeed. Every time I pulled the trigger the pistol went “bang.” I’ve carried it for almost two weeks now and feel like I made the right choice. I put it in my pocket and no one is the wiser. I have two holsters for it (reviews forthcoming), and thanks to them the PF-9 is a great little backup/deep concealment carry package.

It’s hard to find the PF-9 right now, but I found it at a very small-time local gun shop for $4 under the MSRP, at $329.99. The spare mag cost me an arm and a leg ($28), but they are going for $40 and more on right now. Ike is loaded with Federal 124 grain Hydro-shok rounds, which he cycles with aplomb. If you’re looking for a good pocket gun or perhaps even a daily carry piece, take a look at the PF-9.

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  1. jeremy says:

    i would say it is a good choice. the m&p pistols are some of the top of the line polymer handguns in my opinion. only problem is that youll fall in love with it yourself and wanna keep it.

  2. Nick says:

    Everyone need to check out the R9. It is the smallest 9MM in the world. It is made very well and does not jam. If you want to scare someone buy a Kel-Tec otherwise look into this pistol.

    Mike G…. Dont buy your wife a Kel-Tec. Women need guns that are super reliable. I have fired over 300 rounds in my Kel-Tec and it will jam 15% of the time. Look at one out of the box and you can tell it was totally thrown together.

    50 mike g says:

    July 20th, 2008 at 12:59 am |
    looking to get my m&p .40 back from my wife, is the pf-9 a reliable choice?

  3. John says:

    I just bought a Kel Tec PF9 with a laser sight.

    I fired about 150 rounds without one misfire. The gun (with the laser sight) was highly accurate from distances between 25-100 feet. I was hitting the target almost dead on each time.

    Trigger is “heavy” (it’s meant to be as part of the safety aspect of the gun), which I believe leads to what people perceive to be misfires.

    I shot 150 rounds and my hand feels fine. And I’m a novice to boot!!

    Quit complaining. I think it’s a good “conceal” pistol.

  4. Frank Brooks says:

    My one complaint with the PF9 is the design of the trigger. The point of the trigger digs into my finger on the pull and there is a gap between the top of the trigger at the pivot point and the frame that often pinches on trigger release. Any solution?

  5. onetuza says:

    Frank, there is also precious little room in the trigger guard for your finger. I think Kel-tec should remedy this.

    John, consider yourself lucky. You got one of the few that work the way they’re supposed to.

  6. Tedd W says:

    Great review. If they had reviews like this in G&A magazine, I wouldn’t have cancelled my subscription.

    I’m wondering if you could comment on the comparison between the PF-9 and the Kel-Tec PF-11 and the Ruger LCP.

    I carry my S&W j-frame most everywhere, but would like the ammo capacity of a small auto if I can scrape the cash together. I’m drawn to the G27, but the idea of a true pocket pistol is also appealing.

  7. WILSON says:

    Tedd W wrote:
    Great review. If they had reviews like this in G&A magazine, I wouldnā€™t have cancelled my subscription.

    Agreed! šŸ˜‰


    So, anyway,… has anyone figured out the serial number for the “pre & post-problem” Kel-Tecs?

    I had one of their little .380s years ago (actually, right after the Grendal switch. I used it until there was NO finish left on the slide), but I don’t remember any problems at all.

    I’m “this close –><–” to buying a LNIB PF-9, but I’m wondering what the “secret serial number” is…

  8. Jim says:

    I just bought the PF9, sn RAW80. Following advice of folks online, I ground off the ridges on the backstrap and the front of the grip. I shot a box of FMJ wallmart value pack and was able to keep tight groupings at 25 feet, although my tack tack shooting needs practice. I did not have any stove pipe jams, but I did have one empty casing pushed back into the barrel by the next round. Not sure what caused that.
    I expected the pistol to hurt my hand, but was surprised, any way. I was actually shaking in anticipation of the pain, so I stopped. I can’t imagine what it would be like to shoot +p rounds. I did not get a sore trigger finger, but my thumb felt like it had been slammed in a door. I did not get any abrasions, it was just bone shaking. Perhaps I held it too tightly anticipating stove pipes.
    I love the way it conceals, but it certainly is not fun to shoot. I expect I will save a bundle on ammuntion not fired.
    Does anybody know when the Crimson Trace sight will be released? That product is why I bought the PF9.
    Jim K

  9. Rick Snell says:

    I have a question for you. The things you said about your PF-9 is exactly how I would describe mine. I was wondering how roughly how many rounds you have shot through yours? And when you shoot at your range do you use a lighter less powerful ammo than you said is in it now. I know most all of us use a less potent practice round to save on gun wear and cost. The serial number on mine is fairly close to yours, and I have shot about 400 rounds from mine, with about 14 being 124gr. Federal Hyrra-Shock JHP. The reason I am writing is my slide has somewhat more movement or play than I would expect. Is yours like that also? I know what you are thinking about lack of cleaning. I would be be too. But the opposite is true. I am kind of a weird guy about that, and from before firing any firearm, I clean correctly and completely. I would appreciate any input on your firearm use, and the slide gap. The Kel-Tec website is a waste of anyone’s time. Thanks ahead of time, Rick Snell

  10. Jason says:

    First off, I want to say GREAT SITE. im in the market for a PF9 and i learned alot of info about the firearm. As a police officer glocks are just to damn big and bulky to carry off duty. Secondly, I dont understand why most people are crying about the firearm hurting their hands. All of my family carries and have a range from the keltec 380, S+W J frames, Kahr PM9’s, and the baby glocks. They all hurt. these guns are not made for comfort. if you want comfort get a full sized gun. The importance of the baby guns is to save your life when you find yourself a victim of a robbery, shooting, stabbing, etc. Most of the time once you take that first shot, wheather you hit him or not, their not exactly sticking around to see how many more rounds you can throw at him. Its all about finding the biggest bullet in the littlest package. In my own personal opinion, I try not to carry anything under a 9mm, the keltec .380 was nice to carry but i felt it didnt have enough “umphf” to take care of business. thats whyim looking into the PF9.

  11. The Keltechian says:

    This review is right on the money!

    I liked my first PF-9 so much I bought a second as a back-up. I have a P32 and P3AT as well, and this PF-9 conceals as well as the smaller two for 90% of pocket carry. It’s plenty small and light, and the 9mm is more effective than .32 or .380. It’s really a great pistol for LE backup or off-duty, or regular carry for the not-really-high-risk folks.

    It is not a pistol for heavy-duty range use; you should have a different gun for regular practice. To alleviate much of the shooting discomfort, I’d avoid +P loads and bullets heavier than 115 grains. WW 115 STHP and the FC 115 JHP work great in my guns.

  12. Neil in Asheville says:

    Well done, Dr. I’ve scoured the net since yesterday’s gun show and amd still have a question. My dad purchased a single stack P11 (7+1) yesterday for $249. It has no accessory rail. I cannot find ANY reference online to a single stack p11. All I see are double stack 10+1 models? This single stack p11 does exist…so what then is the difference between that and Pf9, other than the acc. rail? [confused] I didn’t particularly care for the long and heavy DAO trigger pull.

    I didn’t see any Pf9’s, although having now researched KTs I like the accessory rail for a laser, double strike capability, and lighter trigger pull.

    Thanks in advance!

  13. Hammer says:

    Lots of good feedback here. I’ve been considering a PF9 for a while. An issue with concealed carry in FL is that it’s t-shirt weather most of the year, hard to hide a big piece. (And inside the waistband is subjected to a lot of sweat.)

    A couple of sections of an old mountain bike tube on my P3AT cover up the ridges on the grip pretty well. I like the mag extension for better grip. I stoned the feed ramp with a ceramic knife sharpening rod; it was too ugly to ignore.

    I also like the Bersa Thunder 380 CC, 8+1 in a small package, nice quality (relative to a K-T).

  14. Gremlin says:

    Neil in Ashville:

    I’ve never heard of the single stack P11, however, having fired both guns, the P11 is a true Double Action only, the firing pin will continue to strike, even if the slide is not cycled. The PF9 is more like the light DOA that Kimber has, it will only strike once, then you have to rack the slide to reset the trigger.

    I’ve fired about 150 rounds of roundball through my PF9 with no problems. Last night I tried a couple of clips of Remington 115gr JHP rounds. I had one light strike and one failure to return to battery, I think it was just bad shooting form. I was distracted by the aggressive case removal, it was going so high in the air it was hitting the roof of the shooting shelter. I’ll shoot another couple of boxes and see if it gets better.

  15. recon says:

    My pally has a Pf9 and one gripe I have with it is the magazine just won’t go in if you slam it in the grip. You have to manually hold the mag release button in and then slide the mag in the rest of the way, then you can let go of the button and click the mag in all the way. Don’t know if his is plastic or metal, but its only a few months old so I’d suspect the latter.

    As for feed ramp polishing, I had to do that on my Springfield Government .45 and now it shoots like a champ, even with a no-name 11rd extended magazine.

  16. drfaulken says:

    Hey Recon — that’s odd about the mag release button if it’s new. There is a site where you can look up the production date of your friend’s PF-9. Even though he bought it recently, it could have an old mag release.

    What you are describing is definitely not normal.

  17. Raleigh says:

    Thanks for the great review. I just purchased a PF-9 a few days ago and I’ve shot 50 rounds of $9 a box Blazer Brass from Walmart through it without any FTFs or FTEs. I was going to shoot another 50 rounds today, but the local range was booked (it’s small.) This is my first handgun and I love it! I think that it is a tremendous value; got mine for $279 plus tax. I did have to use some emery cloth on the grip, trigger and trigger guard, but having done that, it is very comfortable to hold. I’m not a very big guy and I probably have smaller than average hands and wrists and I did not find the recoil to be unpleasant at all; nor did the trigger give me any kind of discomfort when resetting after firing. I just took my concealed carry class and I’m going to turn my paperwork in on Monday. As far as holsters go, I’m considering something from Don Hume, High Noon, or Uncle Mike’s for IWB and the DeSantis Nemesis for pocket carry.

  18. Keith says:

    Raleigh, I use a Uncle Mikes sidekick IWB size 15 holster. I originally bought it for my Glock 22 but, in my opinion, it’s better suited for the pf9. the gun slips deep inside it but all it takes is hooking your pinky on the grip (with the extended “pinky hook” mag base) to pull it out. The gun doesn’t snag at all and the extra material above the belt keeps it from digging into you when you sit down.

  19. KG Sakai says:

    Advise on ammo just for plinking purpose. What ups and downs would one experience by using Wold Brand 9MM FMJ with an Kel Teck PF9?

    Non brass case, will this cause early wear to the receiver.

  20. Nate says:

    so are you saying in this review that you would advise the Kel-Tec over a glock 27?. I’m a huge glock fan, so call me biasis but I’ve never had good luck with kel-tec. I bought a keltec model 1911 and it jammed every 4 round without fail.

  21. drfaulken says:

    Hi Nate, I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear: I carry both at the same time. It isn’t an either/or situation.

    If I am wearing clothes that don’t allow me to take the G27, I just take the PF-9.

    I didn’t know Kel-tec produced a 1911. What model number is it?

  22. Ryan says:

    I have carried a kel-tek PF-9 for about 3 months now. as far as differences between the original and the upgrades it looks like they strengthened the recoil spring, lengthened the feeding trough, and replaced the magazine catch with metal. also the extractor is double-layered metal now too. i too have feed issues with winchester 115 grain whitebox, and i have fired 1238 rounds through it to date. (its my only 9mm so its easy to keep track). no problems so far except a bit of wear in the slide. I use corbon DPX ammo for self defense and it is great except for the kick that +P ammo gives this puppy.

  23. Joe P says:

    I just ordered the Crimson Trace laser for the PF-9. It looks like a neat package and the price was right ($152.00). I use a CT laser on my S&W J Frame and am very satisfied.
    Anybody get one yet? I will report back as soon as it’s installed.
    Also, could anybody advise the process to change the magazine release catch once I buy the new metal one? Thanks………….

  24. Joe P says:

    Well, that Bear Basin supply is right on the money. Got my Crimson Trace today,just about one week from call to door. Installation is a snap, literally, snap. Looks and functions just as advertised. Needed a little alignment, took two minutes. Nice.
    Also got my metal mag release, and spring, from Kel-Tec, also a no brainer. Simple install and loads of peace of mind. Had already changed the guide rod to metal some time ago.
    Hey, I’m a happy guy.
    (Just need to find an acceptable belt scabbard, if anyone has such advice)

  25. Neil says:

    JoeP: I too received my CT today for the PF-9. Nice little birthday surprise, too! Same sentiments as you. Randy at Bear Basis was great to deal with. Easy, for sure. He said I’d have it w/in 2 weeks, and received it in 1. Can’t wait to get to the range.

    As for the holster…I EXHAUSTED every option. Kevin at K&D Holsters impressed my most and indicated he is able to accommodate the CT. I’m carrying the MTAC from Comp-Tac now and I’m almost certain I can bust out the heat gun and reshape some of the Kydex to fit the laser. Let me know if you have any more questions. nspencer at charter dot net.

  26. Joe P says:

    Neil, glad to hear you got yours also. Must have came from the same order Randy was expecting. These things have started flying off the shelves.
    As for the holster, all I want is a simple open top jit slide or scabbard. And I expect it will not be too long before we see them. In the mean time I too will be breaking out the tool box and will modify one of the many holsters I have collecting dust, some for weapons I have long ago replaced. I will post any success I have……………………
    Take care……………….

  27. Neil says:

    Took me 10 minutes with a heat gun and I now have a perfect fitting MTAC. Had to remove the retention bushing/screw closest to the trigger guard in order to accommodate the laser, but some remolding of the kydex snugged it all up. Very pleased.

  28. Joe P says:

    Used a hobby blade to cut several inside stitches at the trigger guard of a JIT Slide, used a heat gun to soften and stretch the leather just a bit, and there we have it. Looks and fits like it was made for a PF-9 W/CT!! And it still carries my Kimber Ultra Carry .45

  29. Shannon says:

    Mother-Daughter purchase- I bought the Kel Tec PF-9 for myself, and my daughter also bought one. First time I practiced with it I was very unhappy, but now I love it. The long trigger pull and the feeling that it was going to jump out of my hand did not please me. The PF-9 is so darn cute, it is a little bit of a shock to shoot it and see how powerful it really is. This little gun packs a lot of punch, so be ready. Getting the sights aligned correctly took a lot of work. I also had to learn how to hold it correctly, which seems to be even more important because the gun is so small; and I had to learn to not worry about the long trigger pull. It is a great gun now that I have learned to use it correctly. It is a absolute winner as a small, but very powerful, self defense firearm. My 23 year old daughter loved it from the get-go, but she is more adaptable than I am!

  30. Claude says:

    Howdy, all. I just got my PF9 a few weeks ago and have only put 1 box of Win 115 gr FMJ through it. the only problem I had with it was the “limp wrist syndrome”. once I corrected that – no problems. This will be my carry.

    The serial No. is RB925

    Shopping for a pocket holster.

  31. drfaulken says:

    Hi Claude, please see my DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster review for a good start. I use it just about every day.

  32. David L says:

    Hi All,

    Great review, lots of great comments. I’ve been carrying a LCP now for about two months in a pocket holster from I had to send it back to Ruger for recall work, took 8 days. I decided I NEED a second CC piece and have decided on the PF-9. Again, thanks for all the information.

    For those of you looking for holsters, check out They have a PF9 model. Pricy, but extremely well made. My LCP fits totally in my Arizona jeans back pocket. The only way for someone to notice I’m carrying is to recognize I have two “wallets”.


  33. Danny says:

    I really enjoy my kel tec. Don’t have any jams, only 2 problems. 1st, the mag. release is horrible, needs to be metal. 2nd, the kick is painful after 50 rounds or so, but the gun is not made for target practice, its made for protection. When it comes to protection, my Kel Tec is as reliable as any other pocket pistol and as long as I’m alive when its all over then thats all that matters.

  34. Claude says:

    howdy, folks. One thing I’d like to point out. Many, if not all of you are concerned about how the PF-9 works over several hundred rounds. My concern is the first two rounds. I want 100% performance. After that, I won’t be sticking around to see what happened. =:o)…Mine works very well, if it didn’t, it would be gone.

    Be safe, guys (and gals.)

  35. Scott Stephens says:

    Great review, very well written. Really appreciate your honesty and tell-it-like-it-is approach to all of your reviews.

  36. Keith says:

    I just bought the PF9 two days ago – before I read this website or these reviews anyway…. I bought mine because my son qualified last weekend for his CHL shooting his p11. I was there and I was surprised. Even at 21 yards, which is the longest distance in the Texas CHL, he still did pretty good and kept all shots in the black. I was amazed. I had put my name in at the local gun shop for another one about a month ago. The P11 didn’t come in, but when the PF9 did – they were kind enough to call me, and I felt obliged to buy it, since they are both about as rare as hens teeth right now. I haven’t been able to shoot mine yet, but I hope it is as good as my sons. He has cycled about 350 rounds through his now with NO misfires, FTF or FTE.

  37. Todd says:

    Have owned my PF-9 for about 6 months. Have cycled more than 300 rounds, no misfeeds, no misfires, no issues. I find it comfortable, well balanced, and VERY easy to conceal. I use a SmartCarry holster, and it is TOTALLY undetectable. It is just a great gun.

  38. drfaulken says:

    Hi Todd! Thanks for your comment — please feel free to add any tips on my recent SmartCarry post.

  39. Tennisfox says:

    I just picked up a PF-9 yesterday and shot 100 Blazer Brass 115 gr this morning. As everyone has indicated, it has a kick and the trigger bothers my finger. However, I kept tight groups at 25 ft and have not had to adjust the sight. No FTF’s or any problems at all. I will buy a grip sleeve, do some work on the trigger and put three or four hundred rounds through it to get familiar with it. That should be all that I have to do and I will have an excellent concealed carry.

  40. hangemhigh says:

    I’m going to pick my PF9 up right now at my local FFL dealer. I got the OD green for $286 shipped, and the dealer wants another $30. I got the extension grip and Kel-Tec hat at their website and I got 3 xtra magazines for $68 shipped.
    Point; I looked all the way on page 18 on a google seach. And this dealer just put 2 up that morning he got at a gun show. And the first one was gone already. I consider myself lucky.
    Oh and Bulldog has the shoulder harnesses I like most, Model 30 I think. Some time in May 09 Kel-Tec expects to ship, that’s what all the problem is.

  41. digstown says:

    i’ve had nothing
    but problems thus far. stove pipes, mis fires, double feeds, mag drops, slide locks. pretty much everything that could go wrong has. i have only fired it twice. for an award winning marksman with my dept. this gun is either very hard to fire correctly or it is malfunctioning. will see what happens. new buyers beware.

  42. drfaulken says:

    Hi Digstown,

    Sorry you’ve had problems with your PF-9. Mine continues to work flawlessly and without incident after about 2000 rounds. I have never encountered any of the problems you’ve mentioned, although some shooters that accompany me limp-wrist the handgun and that sometimes results in one of the symptoms you mentioned.

    If you’ve only fired it twice, you should have a qualified gunsmith look at it, or send it back to Kel-tec. I would also make sure what year your pistol was made; the mag release was problematic early in the pistol’s run and you may have one of the early duds.

    Is your handgun new or used?

    Sorry you’re having problems.

  43. Spectre says:

    I also say that you should send it back and make them fix your gun.

  44. Matthew says:

    Some very nice points you added in the journal drfaulken. I was fascinated to read someone who has about the same kind of predicament I have. Glock 27 has been my CCW for quite some time now, and I’ve give n up my right to bare arms many times due to the lack of concealment. Albeit at a park with my niece and nephew by leaving it in the truck, or it being blistering hot outside, and not wanting to get looks as if I’m the guy going to go nuts or not. It does usually come down to It being too hot to wear normal concealment clothes, and the fact that the Glock 27 is still too big for many Tennessee summer days. I have been thinking about getting PF-9 as a replacement for summer concealment carry. I have seen some with some type of rubber grip that had been added. Does anyone know what grip this is? I’ve had several Hogue Universal Rubber Grips, but the frame is too small on the PF-9 to use it. Anyways, it is starting to get too warm in Tennessee to carry the G27, and i’m in the process of getting a PF-9 in the next few days-week. I’ll come back and give my .02 about how it feels and shoots for myself. Thanks for the info and feedback on your life in dealing with concealment carry.

  45. David says:


    If you’re going to get a PF-9, you’ll want to know about It’s a Keltec bulletin board about all thinks KT. It has an excellent page about the PF-9 that I’ve used to learn a lot about the gun. The PF-9 is a real bear to shoot (IMO). I bought one back in December based in part on DrFaulken’s review above and, even after 400 rounds, still have trouble “limp wristing” it when trying to shoot slow and measured. has a set of rubber grips and pads that fit the PF-9. I don’t have any yet, but have read that they can help a lot for those that have issues shooting the PF-9. Like you, I live in the deep South where shorts is the primary attire most of the year when not at work. I carry my PF-9 in my back pocket when I wear slacks. It’s a little big for pocket carry in my jeans and shorts (and there’s too much me in there for in-the-waist-band carrying, too). For jeans and shorts, I carry a Ruger LCP, again in my back pocket. So far, I’ve never been “outted”.

    Good luck.

  46. Claude conn says:

    Hi, all. Just an up-date on my relationship with the PF9. I had some feed/ejection problems as many of you had. Because of the cost of sending it back to the factory, for what may be my problem, rather than the gun’s, I decided to tinker. I did the usual polishing and cleaning and recommended oiling and then I decided to check into what it likes as far as ammo. I started hand-loading. I found that my gun likes a bit hotter load that most factory loads, not as hot as a +P load. I have not had the time to do a lot of shooting with it yet, but preliminary rounds looked good to me. I made up 200 specials that i’ll run through the gun as soon as i can and will post results.

    Concealed carry is no problen here in northern Michigan in the winter,as we normally wear six inches of clothing. You can hide anything.


  47. bfree says:

    Come on folks…we’re talking Kel-Tec. At the critical moment, you will ALL want a firearm that you know will function regardless of your grip, your ammo, etc.

    I’ve literally seen Kel-Tec’s completely fly apart on the range. Save up that extra 3 months and buy yourself a Kimber or a Sig232 or if you want a reasonably priced, dependable, deep concealment, buy the BERSA Thunder CC.

    If you end up in the moment where you have to draw your weapon, and you assume the threat has a weapon, how confident are you going to be pulling out your Kel-Tec? It’s not worth it…buy a premium, dependable brand or an old snub nosed .38 revolver.

  48. maddog says:


    Now you know you can go to hell for lying same as for stealing…. correct…… you can’t tell me you have seen Kel-Teks “fly apart on the shooting range…. I don’t believe that for a minute… please describe in detail….. remember put your hand on the bible when telling your story…what happened on the range when the Kel-Tek “flew apart… what part….etc……

  49. bfree says:

    ..On the first shot, the back of the cartridge peeled apart like a grape. The magazine blew out the bottom of the pistol, the slide bent and blew off the top, the frame split on the left side and every rivet blew out. The gun collapsed into a pile of debris. TRUTH…what do you expect for a couple hundred bucks. Kel-Tec’s are toys..eventually they break.

  50. maddog says:

    What kind of ammo was being. fired… over charged hand load I’ll bet…. the Kel-Tek for sure… is not the BEST gun by any means…. BUT mine has shot 200 rounds (first 100 did indeed have a stove pipe are two) BUT the second 100 rounds HAS NEVER MISS FIRED AND I WOULD USE IT IN A “SHOOT OUT ANY DAY..” I carry +P (and it says in the instructions- “not to use as a daily feeding”)… I also agree… if one goes in a place where there are daily shootouts… yes… a bigger gun would be best….